In cases of abuse, the painful part would be consequences either legal, financial or in the form of firings or removal of people from jobs/office as elders. We must fight the good fight. Because I knew someone who sent their kids there this year. Prior to this, no one on Kanakuk staff believed that Pete Newman was abusing or had abused kids. Protecting the kids from sexual abuse should be pretty basic, both from a Christian standpoint and from a business standpoint. I think they have good intentions but nothing brings out truth better than discovery. My daughters secular choir did that Acapella for a candlight Christmas concert in an old cathedral. Pete was what a Christian should look like. But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. Well, there is something to that, but no emphasis was placed on training the conscienceonly on understanding doctrine and memorizing bible verses. Would a secular program be better? They *want* to believe that there are people who stand head and shoulders above the rest, spiritually. "We believe in grace and that God can and will heal . I dont know how to make it happen. Not a place that showed him perversion. PP is interesting. If WOMEN had a say, do you think things would be the same in neo-Cal churches? Church builders were contracted to build GWs Crawford ranch house. Brian- you were groomed to think about this man the way you did. We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. Its public record, and that pastor needs to get famous. The kid had been throwing up the entire afternoon and was left alone in the room. On April 23, after a Taney County Sheriff's detective interviewed Kanakuk director Kris Cooper about Newman's sexual crimes, he noted in the incident report, "Kris mainly talked about the accomplishments and good work that Pete Newman did for Kamp." Even after Newman's 2010 conviction, Kanakuk leaders esteem for Newman remained evident. I use my phone to plug into internet on the desk top, it saves money. Hoffpauir and Dygert said they are now choosing to make their stories widely public through the news and social media in order to help other survivors and to seek accountability. Chilling. The same goes for all of the reports of nude Bible studies, etc. [and of course legit is important because of money], we have to have awesome relationships with each other, and if we dont, we pretend that we do for appearances sake.. He was not real clear. He said that communities where information stays on the inside and situations are handled in-house puts children at risk. Like other young Christianswho crossed Newman's path, Hoffpauir described Newman, then roughly 26 years old,as an ideal person for evangelical youth ministry: "Very charismatic," Hoffpauir told the News-Leader in a recent interview. ", Kanakukhas been granted a motion for an independent medical exam of John and plans to call on a medical professional who believes that the child does not suffer from "a major depressive disorder." He was a god at the church he pastor end in Dallas. Because logic, reason, Christian love for the vulnerable and basic common sense all rebel against these actions! Same thing with a LOT of Big Name Net Presences the ones who literally live in their Mommys Basement, Building Their Brand 24/7/365 on Social Media after Social Media (I KNOW of one a local Professional Fanboy character whos a laughingstock to everyone who knew him FTF but is A Major Playa Social Media Celebrity with 50,000+ Facebook followers. Accusations of sex abuse tied to Newman and Kanakuk have made headlines recently as two journalists with conservative online news site The Dispatch published a report on March 28 that asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic than previously understood. Steve Taylor, I Manipulate. Unfortunatelywell, we all know the rest of the story. Kanakuk Ministries is a holder of numerous ministries, most notablyKanakuk Kamps,[1]a large Christiansports campbased inMissourithat has been operating since 1926. During the late Cold War, wasnt the KGB term for such types Useful Idiots? I couldnt afford to go to Kanakuk even if I wanted to. We have more options on the prevention side than we do in fixing the heart, so it makes sense to concentrate there. The proof is in the fruit. It was a power play, which posed as getting rid of those %%%%% liberals. So you need both. I dont think they are a biblical movement at all, but just use the Bible as a way to get gullible Christians to join. Also, Greg Love was interviewed on WFAAs broadcast about my former church. To the spiritual superheroes that think they know better grow up. Just remember the side effect like Muslims after 9/11, Christians will circle the wagons against PERSECUTION!!!!! Theres a difference between being anti-abortion and pro-life: you have to actually care for and about those who have been born *in addition to* those who havent. Overthrew the Shah and got the Ayatollahs instead. There are tares out there. I suppose the old people miss a lot more than just their hymns, OKRAPOD. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/women-abused-by-priest-brendan-smyth-took-own-lives-says-cleric-darcy-35011545.html. There are goats. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. What on earth is going on in christian land these days? Her family has 1 foot in and 1 foot out of their long time church that has gone Neo Cal. However, many Christians tend to view anything secular through a culture war lens. In response to this sexually inappropriate behavior, Newman was placed on probation., Despite these revelations, White would keep Newman on staff in easy reach of his future victims.. "He was very macho, manly, like, tough, in a way. And do we not invoke the presence of the Spirit under various circumstances. That is certainly true along with the rest of your excellent comment. According to the statement, nothing short of active participation in a positively wrongful act causing intended injury to the prejudice of the complaining party, will give rise to individual liability. He was certainly right about that. There are powers that are ancient and evil that we cannot see that lie behind the scandals that we can. Even with Dr. Kloudas lawsuit, the judge declared the seminary, a church, and threw it out. I think thats what some of these Christian abuse prevention organizations are attempting to do. There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. What else do they not believe? "Sadly, Pete Newman was a master of deception fooling family, friends, neighbors, and us as his former employer. My two daughters traveled on those buses from NorthParkCenter which are mentionedin the story. And dont forget Gods Choice for POTUS Mike Huckabee running interference for Jim-Bob Duggar over Josh Duggars mistakes(TM). Reading through the articles posted at Eagles blog, it sounds like she wanted women Elders and her Gospel Coalition (because of course) pastor was all NOPE. @ Nancy2: Hire family and family of family and people we know from conferences, etc.. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: But for Jesus it did have to do with that temple/ that building in Jerusalem and what he said was My house shall be called a house of prayer. In an effort to be completely honest, Dee got sucked into the hype for this camp and two of our children spent a few summers there. STONE THE WITCH! The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. -Newman had sexual relations with boys in Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. @ Lea: -Kanakuk officials had received sexual misconduct reports about Pete Newman as early as 1999. Maybe they do. I know the name of the individual who has given usthis information. I dont see that as a problem per se. A few years ago I was contacted by the mother of one of Pete Newmans victims. But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. Thermidorians stage a Coup on the Jacobins, In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. When a Christian has an encounter with a person like Newman, they have come to a crossroads. Heres a link to an article about them building Bushs house. IMO talking about conscience does indeed get close to reason and experience, except I dont think that is a bad thing. man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. There are goats. Matthew 23:27 I am trying to wrap my head around this Christian lawyer who claims to be a victim advocate. The people who knew and looked the other way while the leadership sinned by bringing the perpetrator into the sheep fold (lamb fold), these people ought to be culpable for any sexual abuse incidents that occurred. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-anderson/400-haircut-vs-bushs-suit_b_46622.html. I also think that many Calvinista leaders believe that God is so with them and their election and awesome leadership that nothing bad could ever happen to them. I had a very hard time believing any of it. Then I read the story. Those allegations included incidents with Newman that were reportedly flagged for Kanakuk leaders in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2006, civil lawsuit court documents show. Few do. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Regardless of the theology behind that idea and the opposition to that idea. The real church following the real Jesus produces disciples who grow in the FRUIT of the spirit, not the mere knowledge of some religious system. All rights reserved. It was freaky seeing all these ancient country and music stars up close and personal with enough makeup and plastic surgery scars to plug up the river. Maybe he was just thinking about it as he attended. And make use of all they hear! NOT THE MORMON! (Then Romney sewed up the nomination/became The Great White Hope and Franklin Graham gave him The Anointing, announcing that Mormons were no longer a Cult(TM) Bad craziness.). I honestly cannot understand what motivates these people, unless it really is the protect men and pastors first. No victim should suffer in silence help is available. Kanakuk peddles their safety systems for profit to schools, insurance companies, churches and camps. They know what people want to see. Kanakuk has long been popular with Dallas families, in part becauseNorthPark Center is one of the stops on its charter-bus route. he might have done this but what have you done? Pete Newman's Apology. Loritts allegedly responded, It was just some skinny dipping thing.. Sovereign Grace Ministries In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. And Im sure there are many people outside the House of Driscoll who think Im defiling their holy temple just by standing on the sidewalk as a (very imperfect) warning about whats within. I know highly trained auditors (including in my family) and they arent licensed. Lydia wrote: . I wonder how much of this has to do with group conformity. Yes, by all means, sue the bastardz. That does not leave out reason, it does not leave out exegesis, it does not leave out what various theologians might think, but it does completely eliminate any thing that would displace scripture as the source of decision making. "Bonding" was just one of the justifications Dygert and Hoffpauir say that Newman offered for his abuse. I will try. I wish to thank again all of those who have websites and our choosing to shed light on these church scandals. Newman admitted he betrayed the trust of underage boys and their parents when he held naked bible study in his hot tub, where he performed masturbation with/or on the boys, performed oral sex with the young men and played naked basketball with the youths. They specialize in educating churches about abuse. I dont even think these powerful men ever think about the damage to the least of these.. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. His conscience is mans most secret core and his sanctuary. Did she really say that? What message does this send to our children about Christian leadership? The abuse itself began in a relatively "minimal" way, Dygert said. @ dee: "'Dygert, you're one of my best friends. What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? Oh I think GRACE does strive to do thorough investigations. Any victim can reach out to Kanakuk by emailing us at [email protected] or access several independent victim advocacy organizations such as ChildHelp.org or Rainn.org, which can provide access to local support services, reporting assistance, and educational resources. He may be hired for the training aspect. But practically impossible. Eagle has written a number of excellent articles at his blog. Its important that the Church be held accountable because it will mean change; Filed April 8, the new lawsuit names only Newman. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? So they took theirs and snuck into the bathroom at night and texted her about their day. Currently, the camp's websiteprices four-week sessions at $4,800 per child. I knew a lot of them in seminary. Prayer Request: Former CLCer will be having eye surgery tomorrow in the D.C. area Look for a saner, healthier, place. Im with you and so are scores of others. Well done! There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. Some former members of my church filed suit against them a few years ago. They also claimed no one at Gateway had been filmed on their property, which may have been technically true, but several Gateway student and leader victims were taped at offsite properties where overnight events were held. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. Every available seat (at least 100 in attendance) in Judge Mark Orr's courtroom was occupied by victims of 34 year-old Newman, their families or supporters of Newman's. There certainly seems to be a lot of nepotism. What I said has nothing to do with a building; we are not Jews at a temple in Jerusalem. Theyre spending ($4,800) a month to bring their kid, and some of these parents have two, three or four kids that are going through Kanakuk every summer, and so theres so much money that goes through the camp that ends up going to Branson and Taney County.. No wonder he got so angry. '", He added, "It's given me a voice and has given me strength to keep talking and realizing this was wrong. What to know about Kanakuk Kamps, Pete Newman and why sex abuse victims are speaking out. Here this is up Sandy Willson of Memphis Second Presbyterian Church was notified in November 2011 that there was am alleged sexual predator on staff. They actually believe they can tell who is elect! . https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/sandy-willson-of-second-presbyterian-memphis-is-allegedly-notified-in-november-2011-that-a-sexual-predator-was-on-staff-at-downtown-presbyterian-church/#more-7415 He and his wife are sexual abuse trial lawyers. I am not against prevention. Ive posted the video here a few times of Greg Loves talk at DTS. Thats what God-hating narcissists do who want something from youmaybe your soul. (I suppose it is a bit hard to work that into all the hats & horns). He currently resides in Branson, Missouri, with his wife, Debbie Jo. Hoffpauir said that just after the call ended,hetold his wife for the first time that Newman sexually abused him for five years. Am I judging all churches? Jacobins stage a Coup on the Dantonists. Threats of violence. I keep wondering if the leadership in such cases may be pedophiliac themselves but dont dare act it out, so they get their rocks off by listening to the JUICY testimonies of those who DO. Did Fellowdhip leaders have the right intention when they allegedly destroyed evidence? It is really weird to hear missionaries speaking in tongues labeled as liberal. Except it sounds like nobody talked about it??? The members of the churches begin to demand the kind of things theyve heard or read about through these groups. Those men turn around an abuse the women and children, leading to a pattern of psychological reinforcement of that abuse. They are out there but can be hard to find as they dont tend to attract much attention to themselves. "Super-fun guy, muscular, real big, sporty, athletic the guy that all kids wanted to be when they grew up.". (He remained in Kanakuk's employ until 2009.) Some were bizarre like the seminary paid very nice tombstone for PPs dog. If everyone else is going along with it then it must be ok or the right thing to do. There is a false Church today in this world. It probably wont happen here. I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. Of course, if a church in a particular area has the PD, and judges in their pocket, then it will be challenging. () I didn't even want to think about my past. He has no problem taking money from the Church for his own pockets when training them, just not when it comes to getting money for actual victim?? Victim advocating which might include reporting crimes and bringing a lawsuit if laws are broken. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? Satan is powerful to produce every kind of vice, greed and scandal in those who are deceived. When outsiders have to tell Christian leaders what is right and what is wrong, perhaps they are not Christian leaders . ", Newman's call came in 13 years ago, butHoffpauir said he remembers thatwhen the phone rang, he was in bed watching TV with his wife, Madison. Good thing, too. And sadly, the followers have to share in the responsibility of creating and maintaining these monsters and their protectors. Believing you are one of Gods special elect doesnt make it so if you do not follow Jesus example. In those days, such a happening would have lost them a lot of campers/money. And this is not the only difference. Colleges are often very bad in dealing with rape, too. "And I had still been aware of what had gone on, but at that point, I still didn't know that I had been so successfully groomed in this entire process, thatI still didn't realize it was wrong. I dont agree we are talking about Christian institutions that want to do the right thing. @ Christiane: Society at large is way, way ahead of Christian organizations when it comes to protecting children and adults from predators in the work place. Kanakuk STAFF application, riesenauswahl an markenqualitt Kanakuk Kamps & Convicted Sex Offenders | whatyareckon . and a follow up check up the day after. Kanakuk, located in Branson, Missouri, has been long known as the premier Christian camp in the United States and abroad. Thats why the lawsuits were filed. But only he and Newman were present, he now recalls. They were outspoken, they were athletic, they were the people you wanted to be, the kids you couldnt be, at least, because I didnt have money growing up. I dont think he is a victim advocate, though. Peter "Pete" Newmanpleaded guilty in Februarywithout a plea agreement to two counts of first-degree statutory sodomy, three counts of second-degree statutory sodomy, and three counts of enticement of a child. It is practically impossible and they know it. These churches are either incredibly stupid, blind, or just dont care even a little bit about what is right. The real problem is people want to be led instead of self govern. Our Kanakuk Child Protection Plan, which contains over 340 identifiable and measurable protective elements, is integrated throughout the Kanakuk organization and has been shared with more than 600 youth-serving organizations across the country. In documents filed Wednesday in U. S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, the plaintiffs in a $10 million lawsuit against White, Newman, and Kanakuk, listed as John and Jane Doe, acting behalf of their son, indicated that White and Kanakuk have not left them alone . Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. :o). It is quite brief, but moving. Branson is a popular vacation site. In that sort of situation, the leaders are the keepers of the doctrine, the ones who have been to school and learned what the doctrines are and who can convey that information to those who may not know all that. He sold mini busts of himself at one convention back in the 90s(?). I dont view PP and the like as fundamentalists but politicians selling their personal brand. In 2003, defendants White and Kanakuk had actual knowledge that defendant Newman continued to engage in activities with children at Kanakuk camps that involved defendant Newman and the children becoming naked together., Why wouldKanakukgiveNewman a promotion and allow him to have access to boy kampersif they knew about his activities? Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? Craig Heidemann, attorney for the plaintiffs, dubbed John Doe XII and John Doe XIII in court filings, declined to comment on the lawsuits during a brief interviewMonday. Dave, did you know that Dr. Hawkes is a neuropsychologist? If we question, then we are labeled not trusting and that is one of the deadly sins. @ Loren R Haas: Lea wrote: SHAME ON YOU, churches, para-churches, church schools anyone who dares claim the name of Christ, any and all who refuse to vigorously defend the weak and cast out the wolves among you. ", Hoffpauir now says, "I hate it with a passion" that Newman performed the marriage. I have never been in a hyper authoritarian church, but let me contribute this to the conversation. ", He added that the children of Kanakuk managers had, and have, a major role in the community's social life: "They were popular. Vaguely! I went on many speaking engagements with him. I stuffed it. Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? if NOT, I have to ask what IS the deal??? He is victim prevention. There is a time and place for that of course, and we have other systems that are punitive, like a license board investigation for instance. Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? How does anyone overlook this? Tough to sit through, but so important! Yet today (in the Age of The Gospel According to Hal Lindsay and Left Behind), the only archetype of Antichrist is The Fanatic Persecutor. But I think we, as the church need to have a come to Jesus meeting with our supposed leaders. @ okrapod: We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. Did he really believe that because its what hed been told by Joe White, or did he know more? He had to practice church discipline on a 35 year member Dr. Nan Hawkes and drive her from the congregation. Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? The problems, I just got madder about this situation as I went for a walk!! Been there, have the memories to prove it. I think there are things you can do to teach your kids what to look for, and teach your church what to look for. He was never a Kanakuk camper, but he said he took part in plenty of activities with Newman. The real church following the real Jesus produces disciples who grow in the FRUIT of the spirit, not the mere knowledge of some religious system. He saw Newman as a "very popular guy," well-liked, a "powerful, motivated, enthusiastic speaker," a "superstar.". More:Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting'. @ Lydia: In a faith community where a persons OWN informed moral conscience, when exercised after considering ones personal situation, what the Church teaches, and after prayer for guidance from the Holy Spirit, takes priority over ANY external authoritarian direction, I had always got the impression it is a popular Mormon hangout? The child/woman is always unimportant/prey. Thats a win! I grew up just the other side of the Missouri state line over into Kansas, about two hours away from Branson; I always thought Branson was a huge deal, nationally and internationally-known. Its just not worth the risk. Or people thinking we can bring repentant molester cons back into institutions. They have Silver Dollar city, some lakes, an outlet mall, and a million weird shows you can watch, including a christian themed one that had JONAH last year. Not to mention they would probably disqualify half their leaders. They dont take time off. Kanakuks opposition statement also states that the plaintiff alleges Kanakuk and those two officers, White and Cooper, failed to safeguard him, however, there is nothing in these allegations that should subject White or Cooper to personal, individual liability. @ Lea: They cop to a much lessor offense at the podium and then the pew sitters tell each other how humble their wonderful pastor is. I wonder how even more will be turned away from the church entirely because of this level of corruption. Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. Trust your kids to these godly idiots? (Id also have no problem suing a church into oblivion if their negligence caused my child harm.) I am trying to wrap my head around this Christian lawyer who claims to be a victim advocate. My son wound up doing a little counseling of one or two of those counsellors, just to give them a listening ear and encouragement. Not sure how this is done without being in touch with ones own conscious and developing wisdom over time? Closing ranks against Those Heathens. Thanks for sharing that. Defendants Kanakuk Ministries and Kanakuk Heritage chose to protect the sexual predator rather than the children, the petition states. The new suit seeks$5 million in damages from Newman personally and isthe secondlawsuit against Newman to be filed in Christian County courts in the past three months. Because you are an important part of the Kanakuk family, we wanted to make you aware that earlier today, the Taney County Missouri prosecutor filed a four-count criminal complaint against our former employee, Pete Newman. White described Coors as a "well-buffed athlete," "tall and as handsome as a model.". She was surprised at how many parents just went along. Fast forward. Not so in this world. I think most view it as sinners sin and we are helping with redemption. I think Im just switching back and forth between the two. It's been over 20 years since the abuse began for me by Pete Newman of Kanakuk Kamps. Its not love; not when its MANdated by misogynists, no. Is Fellowship Memphisan unsafe church foradults and children? Half of his childhood was stolen from him and from us. The college said, ok. We dont want it. Anybody who is riding around Kamp on ATVs in the nude has a serious problem. The letter demands Kanakuk admit thatnumerous allegations of sex abuse by people linked to the camp are true. How did Berny Madoff get the trust of all of his investors, or other finical con artist? HA. So why do we need to keep being reminded that evil wears an attractive face? It does help for those going through the grieving process to visit from time to time and sit quietly. Mohlers boys in appointed positions accused a Baptist college here as going liberal. I wouldnt say its Christian themed. There have been some problems with this in the business world as well. I really dont get it. She missed the news from October 2015 then Oh my gosh, this is heartbreaking, heartbreaking. church must be a relational tension-free zone (to be legit). I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. The other is located near Table Rock Lake in the Lampe area. Note in that article the comment that there has been criticism of Mullins view as possibly undermining baptist theology and biblical doctrine. This judge gets it right! He is serving a 10-year sentence at a Jefferson City prison facility, Missouri Department of Corrections records show.). Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. Pete Newman is currently serving his two life-plus 30 years sentences after having . They are really parsing words instead warning the parents and students? Some people never have to confront it. My daughters secular choir did that Acapella for a candlight Christmas concert in an old cathedral. "The resulting civil lawsuits received little attention, and nondisclosure agreements silenced victims and kept evidence under seal.
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