Out of stock. 603.3). Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Good job, WotC. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Switch . Rulings. by Olive_pdx, unthinkable apocalypse by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post $1.80. Here is how it would work. There are two effects to look out for here. If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters. Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and weve been struggling to understand the ruling. ._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} A trigger waiting for "the beginning of the next end step" would trigger on the next turn's End Step (assuming it happens, your opponent might have an Obeka too). 1 available @ $0.47 . - from the comprehensive rules. You can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. Don't know if it fits the theme of the deck, but it's an absolute pet card. It is strictly against the rules. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. 2020-11-10. Magic: The Gathering. [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]]; [[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]]. It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk I can't say I've heard of not being allowed to activate a free ability that shuffles your deck, especially because you might end up with the same card on top. We ask the question "what can we do . It's amazing. Oneka's second ruling states Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. This does literally nothing. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Artist: Jesper Ejsing. So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard 3/4: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Obeka interaction question with cards that read "next end Obeka until end of turn vs at next end step. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. The end state has Obeka tapped. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. Help | Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. DMCA requests | I would even argue there is no loop to propose. The discussion above applies to these abilities as they do to "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, except "end step" is replaced with "end of combat step". 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Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. This doesnt work the way you want it to. You might get away with adding 2 mana ramp, but I'd still aim for at least 36 lands (or MDFCs that count as a land, you probably already have the best two MDFCs in those colours, but people also run Malakir Rebirth Obeka, Brute Chronologist. 719.2e), and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects (such as "[[Identity Thief]] becomes a copy of that creature until end of turn") will end during that cleanup step (see also C.R. Effects that end 'at end of turn' and effects that end at the beginning of an end step. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. The entire reason Obeka has 'may' in the card text is to prevent this. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC I think we need more artifact mana. by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post Ive done a lot of reading and keep getting conflicting information. by Maelk. obeka, brute chronologist ruling. To make things even more muddy, you have cards like Corpse Dance where their card text reads end of turn but their oracle text reads end of next end step. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. Please link all cards using double brackets. DMCA requests | Card Name: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4 Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard Card Text: : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. So if you act of treason something and skip your end step, you do get to keep it, but at the end of your next opponents turn the effect triggers again since it's unresolved and open/active. A couple days ago my friend told me the heard about a quirky rules lawyer-y interaction involving [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] that I just love if it's true. Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). Most combos actually win a game in the way they're designed; infinite mana, infinite damage, infinite turns, infinite blink. 719.1d; see also C.R. Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. Priority passes to you. Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? Because as niche as it sounds, I definitely want to run thawing glaciers in an obeka deck, and an extra mana could be the difference between entering an infinite turn loop with isochron. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? by Muffins1001 1 year ago, Post The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. Guest-only advertisements. Cards that grant players an extra turn are always good to keep an eye on. (Note the lack of the word "next".) Just to make it clear exactly when you should be using Obeka it's important to know when effects happen. lothshteth. 719.1d; see also C.R. 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Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. EDIT (Sep. 24, 2022): Remove a rule citation. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution TappedOut.js Blog Widget. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. The active player, you, must choose a different action. If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. This is also why myriad works. I play a lot of Magic. Thanks! If I put a +1/+1 counter on a creature that has a -1/- Can i exile my commander from the graveyard into the Press J to jump to the feed. Sorry, beginning of next end step on the oracle text for corpse dance, my bad. If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Card Kingdom price: $0.00. Card Number: 289. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. I lay plans and strategies while bike riding to my studio. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. Rulings. So, if I may ask, say I want to Final Fortune for an extra turn but also get bonus mana from Thawing Glaciers during that extra turn. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. #EDH #Commander #MTGWe celebrate ONE YEAR of tune-ups with this patron-submitted list led by Obeka, Brute Chronologist! If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Commander Legends: Obeka, Brute Chronologist. But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. I really need more way to get haste into my deck and he seems like a pretty good add that can help cheat big dude into play that meet his restriction. That's Crazy, Just gonna comment here cos i wanna see where this is going. Patrons help maintain an ad-light experience, and are never shown ads. Check out BOTH decklists below!First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_ChronologistBudget list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2270235#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_Chronologist_(Budget)Title sequence by Daniel Woodling / MTG Explainers: https://bit.ly/3982yYaCard images courtesy of Scryfall: https://scryfall.com/Elevate by LiQWYD https://soundcloud.com/liqwydCreative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/liqwyd-elevateMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/nwV8HN0m2eA One thing to note about the clean up step here, from gatherer: If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Signets and talismans seem extra good since they let us cast Obeka on turn 3. Magic Online Promos Rare. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? by Mimicvat 2 years ago, Post Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. It was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon. Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. Feeds | This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. As you will be the next player with extra turns it means that the. 1x Canyon Slough. Based on CR 722.2a. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Is "Deflecting Swat" free if my commander is an enchantment? Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards Obeka, Brute Chronologist's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid.". by Cobara86, Time after Time In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? Login or Register to hide these ads. you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. I play Magic the gathering. On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. $0.24. I had to explain it to my cEDH loving friend when they got excited over the spoilers. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. Abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" (or any other ability that says "at", "whenever", or "when") express triggered abilities, and almost all those triggered abilities go on the stack (including all of them that say "at"). Obeka Ruling Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and we've been struggling to understand the ruling. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. 702.116a]) expresses a delayed triggered ability referring to the beginning of the next end of combat step (C.R. The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. Infinity is not a number, so you cannot select it. either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. If you swing at who I want, I'll let you keep it for a while. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. It cant include conditional actions, where the outcome of a game event determines the next action a player takes. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Card Kingdom Price From $0.22. Obeka, Brute Chronologist 's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid." Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. Flip, Obeka, Brute Chronologist.i think one of these will benefit the deck as the commander however i do not which one to choose. I'm not a judge but I'm like 99% sure this doesn't work. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. 99.9% of the time you should be ending your own turn, but on the odd occasion you could use it as a tool to prevent other players from using instants during other players turns. by not-a-cube 2 years ago, Post It also has the active player discard down to hand size if they're over their hand size limit. Card Text: . by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler Then I talk about the interaction with extra turn cards in the "Extra turns" section. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. If anyone has any information on this and can help us out, it would be much appreciated. 3) State-based actions are checked. Rince and repeat for each opponent, effectively only giving them untap and upkeep steps until an answer is found, which might be hard without a draw step. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. Doesn't work at all. Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. I do not think there has been a day the last five years where I have not had a deck in my hands trying to tune it to perfection. RULINGS. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). obeka - (G) (SF) (txt)sundial of the infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. 719.1b), but it will still trigger again at the next appropriate moment (C.R. But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . Therefore you must make your opponent's choice to be to not end the turn in order to even propose the loop to begin with. A forum for Questions and Discussions about the Rules of Magic the Gathering. 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