But there are very many ways and Peggy ONeills who I mentioned before she is an extraordinary example of a person who delivers leadership in her own style. conversations from the world of women's sports. O'donnell is a world champion road cyclist, a . Now if we come back to Australia and we look at the WB ls a great example we have the fourth season of The Womens Big Bash. And then when theyre not the fastest anymore they dont know what to do next. Bridie what what did your main focus in the big to dos because you know youve got a huge huge agenda. Where are you. Chris its great to be here. The progress that the organization has made to advance women and girls participation in sport and the challenges that lie ahead. Now shes a young AFL footballer playing for Carlton who has not only incredible strength and agility but she has this kicking style thats very characteristic for her. [00:04:31] You can imagine there were dozens or they said to me you know 100 women and men applied for this job. What does this say. Right there. The two women who coached in the first season got and McCown one of whom won the premiership cannot get a job here. So weve invested twenty nine million dollars in female friendly facilities over the last four years which means upgrades to pavilions so that these girls toilets and change rooms better lighting better surfaces on the field so that more teams can play. And what has happened is seven white straight men have put their hand up. And then about nine months later they announced that there would be a campaign sort of suite of initiatives called change again. One of them is being done by the Australian Institute of Sport led by Kate Palmer CEO. And these images and these these styles of leadership also show us that being a coach or an umpire or CEO or a president does not have to be one way doesnt have to be delivered one way by one type of old authoritative suit wearing table thumping man. Thats a powerful image of a man who knows her sport. Ensuring that girls and women can show up to sporting clubs and feel safe included theres not just this sort of dark mahogany with pictures of men who won in 1963 that these places are family friendly and people want to. Okay. and theres been so such a lack of diverse thinking that you know these people generally all the same age that probably went to school together and so by by asking them to have a quota and bring women in. [00:14:07] We are in such a rapid time of change that its quite discombobulating. And that I think has been the extraordinary difference for professional womens sporting leagues and teams is that theyve had to grow and blossom and be criticised in the most ridiculous level of scrutiny both on social media from anonymous abusers but also from just you know male commentators saying this is boring I dont like watching this and it wasnt that long ago that I was commentating Road World Cycling Championships and we were hearing commentators from other countries saying this is a boring race nothings happening with therefore womens cycling is boring without any insight into the idea that these women are not only different physiological beasts but its a different race with different team numbers. But I was a very academic kid and so I studied really hard through high school and I was completely mediocre at team sports and I wanted to be a leader like I was so desperately trying to be the best athlete and I just wasnt I didnt have enough speed I didnt have enough agility and all those things that you do when youre playing netball and touch football and some of the sports that have really big in teams here in Queensland. [00:16:37] But its early days but theres no doubt that what were seeing now is instead of the why we used to there would have been a lot of the why why should we fund womens sport or why women arent as good as men. Just a little over 18 months I want to dig a little bit deeper into what youre working on now because Australia of course seems in many ways to tell us and the rest of the world is one of the leaders when it comes to womens sports in terms of equality and opportunity facilities and so on. You know the cricket team and others. So learning that online is not good enough. You know these are the things that shape us for when were sitting in a very difficult meeting with difficult personalities or when we have staff who are feeling unrecognized via a process thats happening whether thats in government or in medical industries and as I said Ive been a doctor for a very long time. [00:16:29] Dont rub it in. Your email address will not be published. Bridie ODonnell has enjoyed two very different careers. So it actually wasnt until I was in my second year of medical school I went straight into medical school out of high school and I started doing a triathlon. [00:02:45] In 2015 there was an inquiry into women and girls in sport and active recreation here in Victoria which was actually initiated by the then opposition government and then implemented by the current government. And if youd like to find out more about Bridies work and the organization you could find a link in the show notes accompanying this episode at WiSP Sports dot com. She would say why dont the race organisers just mandate to you know Euro sport that they have to show 30 minutes and they would say well you need to pay us and then say Okay fine. And when Peggy talks people listen. We have 17 per cent of school aged children are getting the required amount of physical exercise every day of one hour one hour of movement and only 17 percent of kids are getting it. My pleasure. [00:05:17] Just a little over 18 months I want to dig a little bit deeper into what youre working on now because Australia of course seems in many ways to tell us and the rest of the world is one of the leaders when it comes to womens sports in terms of equality and opportunity facilities and so on. It has the largest population and the City of Melbourne as its capital has a barometer Metro Melbourne has a population of around six million. They would need to have 40 per cent women on the boards of these organisations acknowledging these were all volunteer positions. O'Donnell said her primary education was also unique, going to the Blackall Range Independent School, which shunned traditional classroom education and held many lessons run by parents. She became the first Australian woman to make an attempt on the UCI world our record in 15 years setting a new world record of forty six point eighty eight two kilometres at the Adelaide Superdome in November 2017. You fail a lot. ODonnell eventually made the switch back to working full time in medicine, but she never really left the world of sport. Understandably, for the month leading in, she was irritable, selfish and prone to wild mood swings, butthat was the requisite sacrifice, and standing atop the podium the reward. So I was appointed after a very long process. But the Lottery funding in the UK has boosted all kinds of sports that otherwise would never have had the exposure and certainly reached and mentor and Ill know the position in the Olympics particularly Paralympics. Bob Marleys daughter who owns the Jamaican womens team the Thai billionaire who has funded the Thai womens team you know. From hippy Sunshine Coast upbringing to world record, cyclist Bridie O'Donnell steps into spotlight, For the latestflood and weather warnings, search onABC Emergency, Keep across all the live scores and results from the Australian Open at Melbourne Park, In cycling it's known as this ultimate test of endurance and mental fortitude. [00:29:50] So these are things like nipple Victoria hockey Victoria swimming Victoria and three years ago before I even started they were instructed that there would be a board quota. CEOs and board directors and the stats are mind boggling 96 percent of women in leadership positions across all industries have been competitive athletes. The third thing that was really vital for us is access to facilities. And were seeing this more in the States. You know we had yes we had the Olympics in 1956 we had the Sydney Olympics in 2000 we were one of the first countries in the world to have an institute of sport. But, like so many young women I would encounter in my time racing, she would only allow me to be a doctor on her terms. By mid-morning, it would be sunny and above 15 degrees, so we would train. But if youre just mediocre as a girl you tend to drop out whereas boys who are mediocre keep going. O'Donnell is a world champion road cyclist, a former rower, and triathlete. So theyve actually done skill ordered some of them quite formally and others more informally and theyve diversified their boards and they have more young people for example or they have a parent whos really invested in the sport but has never had any opportunity to have a voice in her organisation. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. And what of the swimsuit she misses? I bought it on holiday in Antibes in France, and it made me feel very European, mon cheri. You know all those generalised resistance statements that a lot of people have which is Im okay with girls playing footy but I dont want to watch women doing it on TV. Women and what they when they dug down into these. This service may include material from Agence France-Presse (AFP), APTN, Reuters, AAP, CNN and the BBC World Service which is copyright and cannot be reproduced. We venture into the book with an excerpt from Chapter 7, where ODonnell recounts what she saw when she headed to Europe to race for an Italian team in 2010. How we overcome this hurdle of you know challenging the networks to make this free to air and satisfying the sponsors and getting the coverage that women need in the media. View popular celebrities life details, birth signs and real ages. It doesnt all have to look the same way but no one is fully prepared for her job. [00:37:23] It doesnt all have to look the same way but no one is fully prepared for her job. Search Log In Sign Up They could do it five years ago they would probably struggle and so well I think we need to determine the barriers. Where do you see Australia right now in terms of equality. So youre right were seeing enormous change and you mentioned the M O U the memorandum understanding the Cricket Australia finally succumb to with the male and female cricket players here and look at the impact thats had on our Australian women. And the idea around comparison is actually incredibly unhelpful and quite ignorant by a lot of commentators. [00:18:56] And interestingly the response by the AFL media was to remove the photo and then the Internet responded even more vociferously people in support of her and of womens sport by saying this is not the solution removing womens images from public spaces is not the way to silence critics. In 2007, she began road cycling and in 2008 after winning the National Time Trial title, she raced on the Australian National Team, and then Professional teams in Europe and the United States, representing Australia at three World Championships. But the 41-year-old former Mapleton woman this week broke the world hour record, riding 46.882 kilometres in 60 minutes 609 metres further than the existing record. So theyve actually done skill ordered some of them quite formally and others more informally and theyve diversified their boards and they have more young people for example or they have a parent whos really invested in the sport but has never had any opportunity to have a voice in her organisation. They would have a budget over a four year cycle and they would then work alongside the Department of Sport and Rec to oversee policy. We will update Bridie O'Donnell's Height, weight, Body Measurements, Eye Color, Hair Color, Shoe & Dress size soon as possible. Its my life you know. And she said well you know what I did some digging and I found out that everyone checks their responsibility or their part to play in the way. Its all of the things that I experience which is you lose a lot. Ensuring that girls and women can show up to sporting clubs and feel safe included theres not just this sort of dark mahogany with pictures of men who won in 1963 that these places are family friendly and people want to. There are still definitely haters and trolls and people who are abusive. What does this say. "It was the ideal way to grow up I suppose; my sister and I would explore all day long and then go to school during the week," she said. And weve seen more than one women a week killed by her former husband or intimate partner which is a devastating statistic in this country that we need and we are working very hard to remedy. The progress that the organization has made to advance women and girls participation in sport and the challenges that lie ahead. And so whilst we are we have scholarship programs that are offered. Bridie ODonnell in full cycling mode in the US in 2012. [00:07:56] But I was a very academic kid and so I studied really hard through high school and I was completely mediocre at team sports and I wanted to be a leader like I was so desperately trying to be the best athlete and I just wasnt I didnt have enough speed I didnt have enough agility and all those things that you do when youre playing netball and touch football and some of the sports that have really big in teams here in Queensland. And then what needed to come from that and there were nine recommendations that came from this report and the Victorian Government committed to implementing all nine of them. Or you can post your comments on our social media at Facebook Instagram and Twitter or LinkedIn. And like so many of them I took a chance of you know quitting my job as a physician where I was working behaviour change because I just felt that this was a unique opportunity and remarkable way for me to have an influence over the lives and the outcomes of so many girls and women that I didnt have when I was coming through sport and that so many girls and women who are who have a disability or who are from a multicultural background or from a marginalized communities definitely dont have in Australia. Bridie what what did your main focus in the big to dos because you know youve got a huge huge agenda. The upper limit of the lightweight category was 59kg, and the majority of women who rowed for Australia were heavyweights. It also soon became clear enough to them that I wasnt committed enough (their term) to join in their cult of self-destruction; I learned quickly to just keep quiet, and not yield to my doctorly instincts to intervene. So sports shapes you in all of these ways and you you I guess you have this benchmark and you think you know what I have done harder shit than this. And as the saying goes you know you cant be what you cant see that that access is critically important. [00:32:42] So seeing those women on the field on the pool deck beside the court looking authoritative I mean some of those great images of Becky Hammon whos been the assistant coach at San Antonio looking up to those extraordinarily tall NBA players knowing that shes been a former WNBA champion herself is really powerful. Of course, knowing when to stop would be the trick that allowed her to get her body to where she wanted it to be, and subsequently, to win. So I was appointed after a very long process. And then about nine months later they announced that there would be a campaign sort of suite of initiatives called change again. But O'Donnell said after nearly a year of preparation, when she spent thousands of dollars on a bike and partaking in a strict anti-doping protocol, the record attempt was surprisingly easy. We have had women meddling in basketball at the Olympics for five six Olympics and yet and we have some of the best basketball is in the world have come from Australia. So theres a couple of prongs to this attack if you like. Bridie returned to full-time work in 2013 at Epworth HealthCheck and teaching doctor-patient communication at Deakin University Medical School. So the bar was really high so I got my arse handed handed to me every single race. [00:34:19] And how about the increase in female coaches. And we do look forward to continuing the conversation with you so thanks again and well stay in touch. So they have funded a national program around women in leadership and coaching theyve basically selected 16 scholarship holders from all over the country and are cultivating those. But my goodness it does allow you a context and help you deal with strong personalities and we say that a lot in where Im working now as a sports administrator or working in government. And yet the WNBA all is a really as a league that is struggling and has struggled to get investment. It was free to air on Channel 10 Channel 10 did an amazing job not only of broadcasting it but as you know the power of social media of retweeting great little clips of some of the really strong athletic performances of women batting and bowling etc. Now how do you do you have any thought so. She represented her nation at the 2008, 2009 and 2010 UCI Road World Championships. And of course here in the States so many are owned by my wealthy people you know of the Womens Soccer League here in the States. And I do find myself thinking that a lot whatever work Im doing I think you know what Ive been in a worse situation than this. That access is all a part of being accessible right the accessibility of sport. And one of the things that were actually really reassured. [00:30:53] And what has happened is seven white straight men have put their hand up. Our guest this week is Dr. Bridie ODonnell, Head of the Office for Women in Sport and Recreation in Melbourne, Australia to discuss the issues affecting women and girls from her perspective, the progress that the organization has made to advance women and girls participation in sport and the challenges that lie ahead. [00:39:37] And if youd like to find out more about Bridies work and the organization you could find a link in the show notes accompanying this episode at WiSP Sports dot com. [00:23:43] So for example there was a rather controversial commitment made by the federal government a few years ago where they said were going to give money to Fox Sports to focus on niche sports. Copyright 2017 All Rights Reserved. Its not actually how well am I getting along with my family my children my wife my husband my parents. Shes very thoughtful and contemplative but shes extremely powerful. Her years on the road as a cyclist taught ODonnell a lot, including the importance of a good nights sleep. And yet we have over 30000 girls and women registered to play was he rules in this state and hundreds more that are paid teach physical education teachers or former coaches in other jobs that could be highly qualified to do that. [00:34:51] So they have funded a national program around women in leadership and coaching theyve basically selected 16 scholarship holders from all over the country and are cultivating those. I began by asking Bridie how the organisation came about. There and can use those facilities and feel part of a club. Bridie graduated as valedictorian from the University of Queensland medical school and won the G R S last prize for the most outstanding intern in 1999. [00:29:45] Organisations that deliver Sport and Recreation to Victorians that are funded by government. Systems are the problem. Well why doesnt the UCI the governing body say if you want to hold a rice race licence you have to broadcast X amount and you have to provide the footage and everyone would pass the buck and say its not their job. You know the cricket team and others. You know these are the things that shape us for when were sitting in a very difficult meeting with difficult personalities or when we have staff who are feeling unrecognized via a process thats happening whether thats in government or in medical industries and as I said Ive been a doctor for a very long time. I think no go do the deal with our channel 7 9 or 10 or ABC or SBS which are our national broadcasters because its not good enough anymore to just say oh thats not our job. They would have a budget over a four year cycle and they would then work alongside the Department of Sport and Rec to oversee policy. And weve seen more than one women a week killed by her former husband or intimate partner which is a devastating statistic in this country that we need and we are working very hard to remedy. So the bar was really high so I got my arse handed handed to me every single race. So I was appointed in November 2017. You can imagine there were dozens or they said to me you know 100 women and men applied for this job. What were seeing now is those people are being left behind. There was also no escaping it as a teammate working so closely with her. [00:39:10] Its just it can be overwhelming but I hope it can be rewarding too and youll youll see absolutely the changes. [00:35:56] Systems around unconscious bias around myths of maintaining confidentiality so we dont want to have a mentee follow the head coach male coach around or retaining information and privacy that you cant have women in mens spaces because you know sexuality issues or nudity or whatever. [00:19:16] Managing their social media accounts and to make it very clear that this is a powerful image that needs to be shown and and it became an accelerated image the world started talking about this. As a doctor, and being well aware of ideal training methods, nutrition and exercise physiology after spending three years studying for my sports medicine exams, I knew what I was seeing was unsustainable in the short term and unhealthy in the long term. We acknowledge Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Australians and Traditional Custodians of the lands where we live, learn, and work. So being active playing sport engaged in it in their life. We wont be able to convince our state politicians and federal politicians to invest in a womens football tournament. First, she worked as a medical practitioner. In road cycling, where images of men with lean, tanned legs and hollowed cheekbones had been emblematic of true professionalism, most teams aspired for the same appearance for their women riders. She is from Australia. I mean being an elite athlete and representing your country or being the best in the world is such an incredibly privileged little bubble to live in. Thats where all of our networking events support it. The two women who coached in the first season got and McCown one of whom won the premiership cannot get a job here. They drop out at all different parts of their lives milestones of their lives for example university or pregnancy or menopause or an aged parts of their lives. And what Im asking them to do is think differently about something and that can be for some of them deeply threatening. She was a champion rower and ironman triathlete before swapping to cycling in 2007, when the Australian Sports Commission was looking for sportswomen to compete as cycling time trialists. Okay. And when Peggy talks people listen. You know theres this myth that oh lets just train more women lets give them coaching courses lets educate them. [00:03:39] And then what needed to come from that and there were nine recommendations that came from this report and the Victorian Government committed to implementing all nine of them. Is that we achieved our board quota deadline on 1 July of this year where sporting organizations that are funded by the Victorian Government acknowledging that for your listeners that Victorias is one of the states of Australia. So whilst we do have a reputation of being healthy and bronzed and tanned were in fact you know I think we have the third highest rate of childhood obesity in the world behind the US and Mexico. Head Coach - Rowing South Australian Sports Institute Aug 2022 - Present5 months Adelaide, South Australia, Australia Head of Rowing Xavier College Aug 2020 - Aug 20222 years 1 month Senior High. So all of those things are challenging. Number two increasing the number of girls and women but mostly women in leadership positions in sport more CEOs but even more importantly more umpires coaches referees visible leadership of women on fields with whistles telling people what to do is an extraordinarily powerful debunking of this myth that women dont know how to rally a team or they dont know how to be harsh or they dont know how to be assertive and firm or they dont know how to bring together twenty five guys to get them to do something thats thats a complete myth as we all know. Id like to own the WNBA and Id like to purchase a team for my daughter and we see that happening a lot is that sport is propped up by benevolent donors passionate fans people buying teams for their sons thats happening in this country and yet its not happening for womens legs and I mean how was it blown away by some of those stats from the Womens World Cup. I was going to get your reaction to that the topic of equality in sport as far as women are concerned now we wed look maybe at Australia maybe rightly or wrongly from here as being somewhat advanced you know making more strides shall we say than than they are than they are then there is happening elsewhere in the world and certainly keeping up with it. Bridie O'Donnell has enjoyed two very different careers. "In cycling it's known as this ultimate test of endurance and mental fortitude," she said. I dont know if you saw just recently there were some moderate criticism about the scheduling of the nipple World Cup that they played a lot of games in a short space of time which for Lisa Alexander the coach of the diamonds said you know she felt that the time is now to expand that tournament to greater numbers of days which of course takes greater investment to allow the athletes to give their best so that theyre at their best and theyre not actually fatigued by the final game and obviously New Zealand had such an extraordinary performance there to win again. She will win for sure!. [00:10:25] Well it certainly teach to see problem solving skills and what we know theres data from an amazing piece of research that Ernst and Young did globally where they examined women in leadership positions all over the world. Dont rub it in. You know we see the increase in pay for professional cricketers for example. These are the kinds of conversations he has. Well I was active as a kid but I wasnt good at anything and we certainly had a bit of a culture of high achievement when it comes to sport and particularly we know this from from the data that girls who are really great at sport get supported and cultivated not only by their parents but by coaches by schools. And I think also our sporting nature nation culture is a bit is a bit mythical.
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